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that is going to do it for me tonight. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> if i seem a little off my game tonight, it is because i made a mistake last night. i started to read jen psaki's book before going to sleep, which means i almost didn't ever get to sleep. it is the can't put it down for me for a bunch of reasons. for example, can you imagine a white house chief of staff changing a diaper in the white house on a baby that is not his baby? let's start there. >> that took a real twist at

the end. i thought i knew where you were going but then it's like somebody else's baby. now you got me. >> guess whose baby it was? and then, okay, jen psaki has worked for the last three democratic nominees for president. you want to guess which one she was terrified of? >> you are doing a very good job at >> john kerry, barack obama, joe biden, but one was she terrified of? enter will be coming later when jen psaki joins us. which one gave her a bear hug after the job interview? which one actually didn't hire her for the job she interviewed for? it is every one of these things. there are so many things in here that could have been great fictional scenes. of the job i miss the most in the world is being in the writers room at the west wing, the nbc series about a fictional white house. there are so many things in here that we just go straight into the show if we knew that stuff then. it is just gems. >> lawrence, if you are

implicitly offering that you and i should write a screenplay based on jen psaki's book and life where we lightly fictionalize her and make her into a "west wing," style avatar for the top and pretend character in the west, the answer is yes. >> we don't have to fictionalize her or her father who has a fantastic reaction to the way reporters treat her in the white house press briefing room. the details are just fantastic. >> get to it, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. we will get to jen psaki later in this hour. the book is amazing. they wrote it down. the conspiracy was written out on paper. that is rare in criminal prosecutions. prosecutors are usually left explaining to juries that, you know, criminal conspirators don't write it all down. but, that is what they did in

the trump office on fifth avenue and in the white house. today, donald trump's injury was shown the handwritten conspiracy to payback michael cohen for paying $130,000.00 to stormy daniels to purchase her silence before the presidential election about what she has since described as one of very quick sexual encounter with donald trump. donald trump's financial mastermind, convicted felon allen weisselberg, but the conspiracy in his handwriting , on michael cohen's bank statement, and then another financial officer in the trump shop the whole thing in his handwriting on pump company stationery. that handwritten description of the conspiracy called for michael cohen to be paid $35,000.00 a month as reimbursement for his payments

to stormy daniels and the final handwriting in the conspiracy presented to the jury today work donald trump's signatures on those $35,000.00 checks to michael cohen. it didn't really matter much what today's witness, mcconney, told the jury because the handwriting told the story. mcconney did confirm that that is allen weisselberg's handwriting on michael cohen's bank statement. question, do you recognize that document ? answer, yes. this is the bank statement that allen weisselberg gave me to put in the files. question, is there handwriting on the statement? answer, there are two sets of handwriting on the bottom of the document. question, do you recognize the handwriting ? answer, recognize the handwriting on the left side of the page but not the right side of the page. question, whose handwriting do you recognize on the left side of the bed? answer, that belongs to allen weisselberg. question, how do you recognize his handwriting?

answer, i've read his handwriting for about 35 years. the writing on the right side of the page is likely to turn out to be michael cohen's writing showing allen weisselberg why he was owed $50,000.00 more than the $130,000.00 he paid to stormy daniels. the $50,000.00 was for a previous expense he paid to a firm to rig online polling for donald trump. according to allen weisselberg's notes, he grossed up the $180,000.00 to $360,000.00. question, what does grossed up mean ? answer, i don't know exact what it meant but he probably meant for so tax purposes, if michael recorded $360,000 a month income, he would not, assuming a 50% tax rate, $180,000.00. to the $360,000.00, allen weisselberg added in his handwriting, and annual bonus of $60,000.00, bringing the total to be paid to michael cohen to $420,000.00, which

allen weisselberg's handwriting says would be paid at $35,000.00 per month and then donald trump signed checks to michael cohen for $35,000.00 per month were presented to the jury. on cross-examination, one of donald trump's criminal defense lawyers asked jeffrey mcconney if he ever spoke to donald trump about the schema. question, you did not talk to him about those events in 2016, correct? answer, i did not. you did not talk to them about the events in 2017, did you? answer, i did not. and, you did not ask him about the events in 2018, either? answer, i did not. before any testimony was heard this morning, judge juan merchan once again held donald trump in contempt of court for violating the gag order, which forbids donald trump from saying anything about the jury in this case. judge juan merchan had about a five page written opinion , and order in which he responded to the prosecutions requested that donald trump be found in

contempt for violating the gag order four more times. judge juan merchan found only one of those alleged violations of the gag order was proved beyond a reasonable doubt. the judge wrote, "the defendant violated the order by making public statements about the jury and how it was selected. in doing so, defendant not only called into question the integrity, and therefore the legitimacy, of these proceedings but, again, raised the specter of fear for the safety of the jurors and of their loved ones. because this is now the 10th time that this court has found defendant in criminal contempt, spanning three separate motions, it is apparent that monetary fines have not and will not suffice to determine defendant from violating this court's lawful orders. therefore, defendant is hereby put on notice that if appropriate and unwarranted, future violations of its lawful orders will be punishable by incarceration. not trusting donald trump to

actually read his order, the judge then spoke directly to donald trump when he handed out his written decision and looking directly at donald trump judge juan merchan said in open court, "going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sanction if recommended. mr. trump, it is important to understand that the last thing i want to do is put you in jail . you are the former president of the united states and possibly the next president as well. there are many reasons why incarceration is truly a last resort for me. to take that step would be disruptive to these proceedings, which i imagine you want to end as quickly as possible. i also worry about the people who would have to execute that sanction, the court officers, the correction officers, the secret service detail, among others. i worry about them and about what would go into executing

such a sanction. of course, i am also aware of the broader implications of such a sanction. the magnitude of such a decision is not one-sided. but, at the end of the day, i have a job to do and part of that job is to protect the dignity of the judicial system and to compel respect. your continued violations of this court's lawful order threatened to interfere with the administration of justice and constant attacks, which constitute a direct attack on the rule of law. i cannot allow that to continue. as much as i do not want to impose a jail sanction, and i have done everything i can to avoid doing so, i want you to understand that i will if necessary and appropriate. leading off our discussion tonight, adam klasfeld, who was

in the courtroom today and will be there every day for us during the trump trial, he is a fellow at just security. also with us, andrew weissman, former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. co-author of the new "the new york times" best-selling book "the trump indictments ," and former acting u.s. solicitor general, who has argued over 50 cases before the united states supreme court, he is a professor at georgetown law and host of the podcast "courtside. andrew and neil are both msnbc legal analysts. adam, i want to begin with the discussion of contempt. begin where the judge began this morning. he hands out his opinion and then he speaks extemporaneously from the bench, addressing himself directly to donald trump. did it seem to register on the defendant? >> absolutely, lawrence. it is the fact that it registers is memorialized in the conferences that trump does every day, the reporters tried to, i don't think this is too strong a word, beat him again

and again to violate the gag order, asking, and reading some of the questions here, is a stormy daniels a lawyer? is michael cohen a liar, could you do a night at rikers island? why did you pay michael cohen? they asked about the jury. each time, nothing from trump. it is clear to see why. this is the first time judge juan merchan has vocalized that the threat of jail to trump. if he put it out loud in open court and if the prosecutors brought another alleged violation to his bench and he heard it, he found another violation, he threw down the gauntlet. if he doesn't throw trump in jail, he would look entirely like a paper tiger and trump got that message and it was evident in the press conferences during the proceedings and after the proceedings of the day. >> andrew, when we hear jail, we are all thinking rikers island, sending a former president to rikers island with a secret service detail, we could hear and what the judge

said from the bench that he is concerned with the things i have wondered about, which is how does the secret service do this? how do the local officials handle it, how do they interact, how does it work? in real, practical terms, what are the options that the judge has that could involve some measure of incarceration without necessarily it being rikers island? >> leaving aside that he could just say, as judge engoron has suggested and ryan goodman has adjusted, i can consider this later, i can decide what sentence to impose later, if there's conviction, i can decide how it relates to the sentence i impose, on the criminal contempt, i can give the sentence afterwards. let's say he wants to do something right now because he really wants to send a message now to stop. >> can you go back a second on that? he could make an announcement in court to say there's going

to be a sentence of incarceration, which i'm going to decide later. >> yes, he could say i am going to sentence you later. you should know fines are no longer sufficient. what that sentence will be is going to wait. if there's conviction, i can also consider your continued conduct in deciding what sentence to impose. all of that, he could kick down the road. let's assume he says i need to do something now that is more than that. and, that is not my idea, which is having sort of a babysitter monitoring his suites and to social. he can do a number of things. there is something called house arrest. he could be under lock and key at night. he could be just put in the back of the court. there is a holding pen and he could literally just say you are going to be in the holding

pen in the courthouse. he could say, you know what, at lunchtime, that is where you will be kept. he could keep him there even some hours in the evening. there are ways to fashion incarceration without saying for 30 days you are going to be in jail and be brought back and forth from rikers island. there are ways for him to do incremental punishment. that either way is what judges do look to do is figure out what is the next step. i agree with adam. with how much bravado, this is not somebody who is thinking i'm going to have a really great time at rikers island. the new york court system, is a difficult place. >> neal katyal, i have to say having seen donald trump in court for a couple of days, not today but last week, this idea of using the jailing capacity that they have to have at a

courthouse for criminal defendants who are being held in jail at rikers island, when they bring them into the courthouse, there's a place to lock them up while they are there, to say to him you have to be here at 8:00 a.m. and we are going to lock you into that spot and then during the recesses, they have a recess in the morning, they have a lunch break for an hour and a half, they have a recess in the afternoon, we are going to lock you up for each one of those, you are going to be taken directly from the courtroom so you won't be stopping to talk to the reporters anymore. that would be pretty, for him, that would be severe stuff. >> it would be relatively severe, lawrence. i guess i just have to say, i have to call it, i think donald trump got a bit lucky with this judge. you don't see criminal defendants doing what donald trump has done repeatedly violate a gag order. today was the 10th time this happened. you know, it is just another monday for donald trump. so, i was glad to see the judge personally address donald trump today, as you talked about, and the like. i do think trump is lucky he

hasn't faced either the kind of sanctions that you and andrew just talked about, or my idea, which was, you know, to impose the criminal sentence right now and say you are guilty, i'm going to suspend the execution of it until after the trial is over and we are going to watch your behavior. but, you have now done more than what a $1000.00 fine is worth. you have trampled on the court, you have trampled on the jury. i can promise you, there are a whole lot of defendants out there who wish they were given a fraction of the leniency judge juan merchan has given to donald trump , his repeated violations of the law. >> adam, to the evidence, it seems like they got it all, the cost of the plot in writing on these two pieces of paper. the jurors will be able to hold these in their hands when they are in the jury room, ask for these exhibits. it seems to be all there. the point, if it is that, that

them defense scored at the end of this testimony about what all these locations mean, is that donald trump never had a conversation about any of this with this witness today, who wrote, who himself wrote the version of the conspiracy on this piece of paper. >> that was addressed and redirected in examination at the very end, in this skillful exchange. i will read it to you, i've liked it. the prosecutor asked, "have you come to learn since leaving the trump organization there were matters of that allen weisselberg kept you in the dark about?" objection from trump's lawyer. overruled. trump's lawyer persists. hearsay. "it's overruled." yes. so your answer is yes. "this was happening above your head?" "yes." whatever, it was a blow saying that trump had no, that he did not have a conversation with trump mitigated by the prosecutor showing and

eliciting this fairly damaged exchange that jeffrey mcconney was kept in the dark. >> we will squeeze in a break. when we come back, we will go over today's evidence and consider how far the prosecution of this case has come and how much further they have to go. we will be right back . . the itch and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema—fast. some rinvoq patients felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. and many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,

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trump company. prosecutor, "were you aware of another expense basement where a payment was doubled for taxes?" jeffrey mcconney, "no." we are back with adam klasfeld, andrew weissman, and neal katyal. andrew, what was established in the testimony today? >> i will do a mini summation on what you are talking with adam about in terms of well, this witness couldn't say that he had a conversation with donald trump comes exhibits at 35 and 36, the 2 handwritten notations, 1 of which is on the house money payment bank record, that is not some loose piece of paper, it is on that. of course, this witness says i don't deal with donald trump directly. ask yourself, allen weisselberg, why would he possibly do this, why would he dare do this, which is to not

only reimburse michael cohen $130,000.00 but reimburse him another $130,000.00 without telling his boss? he would be fired for that. why would you do that on your own? there has been ample testimony about donald trump is a micromanager. so, what are you going to do, slip it by him? as you pointed out, he is signing the checks and seeing the invoices. you have to hope he's not going to ask any questions while he's paying double the amount of money. third, we know from hope hicks that she said he said to me that he knew that these were reimbursements to michael cohen. he knew that michael cohen had paid hush money and she said he knew these were reimbursements, he had reimbursed him for hit. so, there is no question about what this is. and, four, we know from records, some of which just were introduced today, that donald trump himself said i was reimbursing michael cohen 40 hush money payments.

it is true that this witness doesn't know the full picture but that happens all the time. the idea that this would have happened under donald trump's nose and everyone was conspiring to keep it from him while he has to sign the checks, preposterous. >> neal katyal, a bookkeeper testified at the end of the day testified that donald trump personally had to approve anything above $10,000.00, any expenditure above $10,000.00. >> jonathan alter in "the new york times" had a piece called "the boring documents that might save trump." the documents today that andrew just referred to exhibits 35 and 36, in conjunction with the testimony that trump approved all expenses over $10,000.00, does make it really hard for donald trump. there are records here and trump is indicted for 34

counts, 11 checks to michael cohen, 11 invoices from michael cohen, 12 entries in the general ledger. i think andrea is exactly right. what possible reason would the accountant allen weisselberg or the cfo have to double the amount of money? this makes, this defense by donald trump mix just about as much sense as his covid-19 policy. it just doesn't fly. i think if you are sitting there on the jury and listening to this testimony, yes, some of it is really dry and arcane. at the end of the day, it is the kind of testimony that is going to sink donald trump. >> adam, one thing both of these pieces of paper do is they collaborate michael cohen's story of how he made the payment because here is one piece of paper that actually his bank statement shows him making the statement. then you have allen weisselberg's notes about how to pay him back for the

payment, including to take care of his tax liability but michael cohen couldn't possibly have known that jeffrey mcconney separately created this document in his own handwriting. this guy never spoke to michael cohen about this in the testimony and so this document that michael cohen couldn't know existed corroborates him line for line. >> it is an incredible amount of corroboration. to your point, this is not only referring to michael cohen, this is, the allen weisselberg notations are on michael cohen's bank statement. it is through michael cohen's shell company, essential consultants llc, through which he funneled $130,000.00 to stormy daniels lawyer, something you can see on this notation. prosecutors probably could not have dreamed of a more incriminating placement of these notations that spells out the prosecution's theory of the case, $180,000.00 "grossed up"

and on jeffrey mcconney's document, which is two times for taxes, transit "grossed up". it has is $50,000 or percent payment to the firm that was used to rig online polls in trump's favor before he announced his candidacy. it goes through it in extra ordinary detail on the worst placement that trump could imagine. >> andrew, so, when we look back at the prosecutor's opening, where are we now in the case and how far do we have to go and in the logic of this, is the next witness, allen weisselberg, to explain this notation right here or does he even have to or who else? the odd thing about this case is because the trump lawyers have been so unprofessional, i would say unethical, the prosecutors are not telling them who their next witness is. they find out when the prosecutor say the people call in the room.

none of us know who the next witness is. >> that is actually because of donald trump's actions. the 10 criminal contempt accounts are a good reason why you do not give the normal courtesy. i do not think we are going to see allen weisselberg . the notes in this case really speak for themselves and you have jeffrey mcconney doing something that is important because i wonder how they are going to identifying allen weisselberg's handwriting. is it just going to be michael cohen so that they can collapse it and say you don't really have corroboration. you have jeffrey mcconney. to be clear, this is borrowing a page from the january 6 committee. these are insiders to the trump organization. these are not friends of democrats. these are people in the trump organization. >> where are we going to go from here? there is a good argument for close the case out. i don't think that is what is going to happen. at the end of the day, there's probably about two weeks left. that means we will hear from michael cohen.

we are certainly going to hear from some insiders at the white house as to the mechanics of how the checks so that it is pretty clear. i think we are going to get a little bit more detail about what is presented to donald trump as president and that he sees the invoice attached to the bill and so he's like, he sent a check, it has an invoice, it is stapled together and sent back. those invoices are presented, i think, at the same time. that is going to be an interesting fact. the invoices are interesting. i think we will hear more about that because they talk about current work that is being done. that, the da will say that is false. there was no current work that they were paying for, they were just reimbursements for the hush money payments. then, obviously, michael cohen and stormy daniels are witnesses that we will still hear from. >> neal katyal, that little item about i've been looking at

his handwriting for 35 years, it might not mean much to the typical viewer out here but it is actually, as we know, quite a big deal. getting someone to confirm whose handwriting that is on a piece of paper in a courtroom with the evidentiary standard required in the courtroom is not easy unless the person is identified in their own handwriting. it is moments like that where things go the prosecutors way in very, very helpful, quick ways like that. >> that is exactly right. what it also did was just so, look, these people have been working together for a long time. it raises the influence, why is this payment that looks so aberrational and like anything else, what is going on here? the district attorney has to prove that donald trump made knowingly false business records with an intent to further or conceal another crime. here, that is campaign-finance violations. and, we have last week testimony, lawrence from hope hicks saying trump was aware of

the hush money, at least at the time of repayment. now, the question is can the prosecutor show that trump new business record was false and did trump do this with the intent of trying to help his campaign? hope hicks already went a long way on that. i think andrew is right to say the next big thing is michael cohen and what is his credibility going to look like? we are seeing skirmishes of that in the courtroom through the testimony of other witnesses. certainly, i don't think the jury is going to come off and like michael cohen as a person. they do just have to believe he's telling the truth about donald trump. when you have all of this corroborating documentation that came out today, i think the prosecutors have done a splendid job in moving the ball forward. >> neal katyal, andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, thank you all very much for joining our discussion tonight. coming up , in jen psaki's new book, we learn what she used to do right before stepping on camera in the white

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the mother of one of the thousands of babies born in this country on july 13th, 2015 got a congratulations phone call from the president of the united states. that mother thanked president obama for his congratulations call and now says "i could hear the president chuckling in the background as i quickly moved from my joy at being a new law and asking him about the status of the iran nuclear deal ." that is just one of the stories told in jen psaki's wonderful new book "say more , lessons from work, the white house, and the world." jen psaki writes "to this day, the three questions i am asked most about my time at the white house are , what is joe biden really like? did you get nervous before briefings, three, how much do you hate peter ducey? >> you guys say all options are on the table, is restarting

keystone construction one of them questioning >> if we are trying to bring about more supply, that does not address the problem. we are getting that oil, peter. the pipeline is a delivery mechanism. it is not an oilfield. it does not provide more supply into the system. >> pipeline is not an oilfield. jen psaki's father, a former republican told her "i could never do your job, i would just want to get their hands off ." jen psaki didn't think she could do the job either when she first applied for it and came in second to jay kearney in the obama white house. jen psaki has a history of seeking more responsibility from her bosses in campaigns and in the white house and then , surprising first of all herself at how well she could actually do those jobs. she was rejected for the job of white house press secretary

twice in the obama administration and then began that job on day one of the biden administration, she decided to do something that had never been done before, give a televised press briefing from the white house on day one, on inauguration day. the night before, she was pacing around her kitchen in sweatpants, filling her brain with all of the announcements planned for day 11, "an issue popped into my head that i felt unprepared to address. i started pacing faster." jen psaki had been under pressure before from the press secretary podium at the state department, working for secretary of state john carrie, where her motto was "don't start a war ." her first white house press briefing was going to be even more pressure. she chose something comfortable from her closet, a blue dress from j.crew. in the middle of a global, deadly pandemic, she would be delivering the most important statement to the world that day by anyone other than president biden about what had changed in

the white house at 12:00 noon when the staff of the pathologically lying former president left the building. i will never forget watching that first jen psaki white house press briefing because at the end of her 31 minutes, i realized i was watching the best white house press secretary i had ever seen. >> good evening, everyone. thank you for joining us on this historic day. it is an honor to be here with all of you. when the president asked me to serve in this role, we talked about the importance of bringing truth and transparency to the briefing room. he asked me to ensure we are communicating about policies

across the biden/harris administration and the work his team is doing every single day on behalf of all american people. there will be times when we see things differently in this room, i mean among all of us. that is okay. that is part of our democracy. >> joining us now is jen psaki, former white house press secretary and host of "inside with jen psaki." her new amazing book "say more, lessons from work, the white house, and the world," is available tomorrow. i was watching you watch her at that first white house press briefing. >> it feels so long ago. it feels so long ago. >> it looked like i was watching a mother wants a daughter. >> i just remember like it was yesterday how nervous i was not today. i talk a little bit about this in the book but just feeling like i just need to go out there and not screw up. i had a little shimmy before i went out. i just remember thinking and i

had this conversation with president biden as i also talked about in the book about how the country was so frazzled, was so frayed, the nerves of the country were so freight and the best i could do, a small sliver on that day was to try to settle some of the nerves. it really brings me back to that moment. >> you answered one of the questions for the audience, which is what did you do right before the reading? you reveal you and karine jean- pierre to do this shoulder shimmy together. do you do that here? >> i do that. i also used to do a ted lasso, i am a huge "ted lasso" fan. rebecca talks about before she would go in and meet with all of the bailed soccer heads of the other teams, how she would make herself like a tree and make herself big and i used to do that quite frequently before the briefing. just to prepare for what was facing me on the other side of the door. >> you worked for presidential nominees, john carrie, barack obama, joe biden.

he worked for all three of these people. i couldn't find it in there which one you like best i searched every page. >> i love them all. >> who is your favorite? watch this press secretary spin to this question. >> and learned something from all of them. i talked a lot about different kinds of bosses and how important it is to navigate. >> let's go to the fun. let's answer the tease questions i gave to rachel. which one terrified you? >> i was terrified, terrified, i don't know if i would use that. >> you used the word several times. >> barack obama becomes, and you have worked for, this is one of the things i feel like you and i have always connected on, our shared love of public service and the people who serve and he is somebody whom you always felt like, i still to this day feel like he always

knows the briefing materials before you briefing, he has already thought about the questions you are about to answer. it is intimidating because he's such a larger-than-life figure. it took me a long time to feel comfortable thinking feedback. >> i worked, as you know, for senator patrick moynihan, who was a harvard professor before becoming a senator and widely regarded as the smartest guy in the building. therefore kind of intimidating not from anything he did, just because he was so smart. my strategy for the first year was to not say a word. >> that is how i was. this makes me feel so much better, lawrence. that is how i was. i was just kind of a wallflower in the back of the room. i would volunteer. i would say someone else can go to the meeting for me. >> barack obama was in the meeting, you were afraid of being in the meeting. >> i was afraid of saying something dumb and it took me a

long time to get over that and recognize that you are not serving your boss. now i want to know how you got over it. >> is what i did. i didn't speak for a year. therefore at the end of the year, i was the only person who hadn't said something stupid. in a year and then i was presumed to be smart. >> maybe that is how i lasted so long working for barack obama too. >> which one gave you the bear hug at the end of the job interview? >> john kerry. i remember going in and sitting in a meeting with him about the state department press secretary jobs, spokesperson job. he had his reputation when he ran for president as being so aloof and unfriendly. it is completely the opposite of who he is. he is an extrovert, a friendly, a person who is outgoing and loves being around people. it taught me a lot about how politicians are caricatured often. for the good or the bad. and, he is someone who is quite different from what you think. >> just inning for an answer for this one because we will squeeze in a commercial and come back. i think this process of illumination. which one of them got on the phone with your father? >> joe biden, no question. they had a long conversation, which made me nervous.

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>> that rahm emanuel introductory moment is so fantastic. so, white house chief of staff is changing your baby's diaper. now, if someone had pitched that in "the west wing," i would have said you have to understand that a job, it's never going to happen. the white house chief of staff doesn't have time to change his own babies diapers, that's never going to happen. >> the story of that day is even better. i told a sliver of it. my daughter at the time was a little under one. he she had a low grade fever. i said i have some meetings i have to go to. i brought her back to the white house dennis mcdonough changed her diaper, took her out where she played on the swingset that was there for sasha and melia. she traveled around the west wing and i was about to take her home and the president's assistant at the time said to me the president really wants you to stay because your daughter is here and he's had a tough day with a meeting with a bunch of lawyers and he loves

babies. so, i took him into the oval office, he played with my daughter. we have amazing pictures and that was the toe tapped of the p of the day and it was a lesson because i thought my day was going to be so difficult because i had to pick up my daughter. >> is one of these bosses are, they read as great bosses. john kerry, it's one of the best portraits of john kerry i've ever read is in this book, from a great perspective. joe biden, barack obama. barack obama, the one who verified you the most, in his way, without him ever trying to terrify you. >> he didn't try. >> you make a gigantic mistake working for president obama. gigantic. >> many, actually. >> in his response to it, when it finally gets to him is "you are normally an a student. i'm going to let this one slide." >> his persona, as you well know from covering him and interviewing him, is that he's

pretty steady. that was always my experience. that day, the story you are talking about, what a day i missed the plane. i was an hour late to the plane. the nominee had to wait for me to take the plane and that is exactly what he said. >> there were so many insights to each of these men in this book, through your eyes. what do you hope people take away about who they are? >> i hope people take away that at a time when our institutions are being attacked, when so many people think every politician is rotten out there, that there are deeply good human beings who are there for the right reason and who are in public service for the right reason. i worked for two presidents, one almost president who is the third one, and all of these men deeply cared about the country, deeply cared about our democracy, deeply cared about doing good for people and i tried to tell a lot of stories

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